DC: 2012-03-13 - Hawkman aka Dr Phil - Not!

Starfire is in the lobby of Titan Towers, where she has requested that Hawkman join her if possible. SHe is concerned for Kara, whom has recently 'quit' being Supergirl, and she wishes to talk to someone with a neutral, and more nuanced analysis of events than she currently has.

Hawkman had agreed for reason that he wasn't sure of as this was more one of the other old timer in the JSA's thing. But Hawkman lands outside with a silent touch down and opens the door walking in. He was dressed in full garb and armed for a battle, "Princess. You required my assistance?"

Starfire nods over at Hawkman, "Yes. Supergirl has.. Become for the moment estranged from her cousin, and has announced she wishes to give up her role as Supergirl. I am unsure as to the exact circumstances.. But I wished for a more objective opinion for analysis. You are familiar wtih both Kal-El and Kara, and more fluent in the nuances of humans than I am."

Carter Hall nods, "And you asked me Princess? You do need to work on your nuances of humans." He shakes his head, "Besides, we're talking about Kryptonians not humans." He considers for a moment, "Superman is probably doing what he believes best for his younger family member. But it's not really our place to interject in a family dispute. Though she is an adult from what I understand legally if not mentally and can make her own decisions." Starfire nods oer, "Yes, but asboth of them are our friends, I would wish to know what is appropriateto say. Not to support either ofthem,but what is appropriate to say for either of them. As it is ultimately Kara's decision in what she feels is right to do, she cannot bemadeto do what anyone wishes."

Hawkman snorts, "The best thing to do is to say nothing at all. It is family. It's like lovers in a way or siblings. You open your mouth and you become the bad guy when they become friends again. Which will more than likely happen. My concern would be what did Supergirl say or do to make Kal believe such or has something happened to Kal. As he has traditonally been supportive of her from my understanding."

Kara Zor-El comes down the elevator with a full duffel bag of some of her stuff. She pauses. "Hey." to Starfire. Then a small smile to Hawkman as well "Hey." again. Long distance to Liberty: Kara Zor-El is just coming back to pick up stuff

Starfire nods over at Hawkman then, then turning oer to Kara, "Greetings, Kara. Are you all right?" If accepted, moving to give Supergirl a hug.

Kara Zor-El thinks a second. "Um... lets see. My cousin is an hypocritical ass, thinks Cat Grant is right, blames me for ruining the name of Supergirl, doesn't think the red kryptonite is an excuse and says I've committed heinous acts, and that I should surrender myself to police when charges havent even been filed, and specifically said my feelings do not matter. Yeah. I'm -peachy.-" She gets hugged.

Hawkman listens for a moment, "Kara." He responds to her as he listens to her discus how she feels about Superman. The man crosses his arms. He considers for a moment, and then he doesn't take his own advice, " He's right. ON everything but ruining the name supergirl. I don't image there's been another Supergirl before now." He considers for a moment, " You've got to do the right thing from here on out."

 Kara Zor-El says, "actually there has been :) Linda Danvers :) And Matrix"

Starfire nods over quietly, "Kara, you have to decide what is right for you, and none of us are entirely correct. But yes, Hawkman is right ot a degree. As is Kal." She smiles softly, "Do not discount your cousin etirely for just the reason you disagree, but he is not entirely right either. The only one who can decide for what is truly right is you."

Kara Zor-El stays hugged by Starfire. "Oh thank you Hawkman. You do realize that when Superman was infected by red kryptonite, he declared himself King Superman of Metropolis and tried to execute people. But yes, getting in a bar fight and being promiscuous is worse." She pauses. "He said 'You committed heinous acts. Heroes do not commit heinous acts. Therefore you are not a hero.' Then said my feelings don't matter. Sooooooo, basically screw it. My cousin cares about the S more than me, that's just fine."

 Starfire says, "She's so nineties!"

Kara Zor-El says, "Lets see... what else did he say. That there's no amount of good deeds I can do to make up for the 'monumental losses' that I've caused. Also repeatedly called me Kara Zor-El. Not Kara. I don't even register as family to him. You know what? It doesn't matter anyway. I was supposed to come here to protect him and he's fully capable of protecting himself since he's the grownup now and I'm not. But he's SUPERMAN. Woo." She rolls her eyes and waves her hands a bit.

 Kara Zor-El grins oh btw, she's dressed like this -

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 Kara Zor-El says, "except no S" Hawkman shrugs his shoulder, "And throwing a temper tantrum ain't going to fix it either child. If your this hero you claim you are, you will face the consequences of your actions, You will apologize, You will strive to be a better hero form now on, and you will not let these events or your cousin define you. Kara Zor-El, It is time to put childish things aside as heroes do. You do not need your cousin to define you define yourself. If your Supergirl behave like Supergirl."

Kara Zor-El shrugs. "Yeah.... I'm SO not Supergirl. Thanks." She gets out of the hug. "He said no amount of good deeds will make up for it. Hypocrite. See you around okay? I'll be at the house Batman got me." She pauses. "Oh yeah..." She reaches in her pocketbook and takes out a bunch of uncut diamonds. "Made these, it should pay for the windows and that bar right?" She takes Starfire's hand and dumps them in her hand. "Okay, I'm out."

 Carter Hall says, "Yeah Hm is so not the person to fix this."

 Starfire laughs.

 Kara Zor-El does mention Superman didnt actually 'rectify' his actions :) Everyone just forgave him :)

 Kara Zor-El says, "helps that Lois Lane wrote nice articles about him though :)"

 Carter Hall says, "The only person Carter forgives is Shiera."

 Starfire says, "Because she wears the pants."

Hawkman shrugs, "I don't believe he's the only person allowed to use the name Superman. Isn't the S a family crest? Then it is equally yours. Prove him wrong be the hero you can be. There's no need to run from this."

Starfire glances a bit at Hawkman then, but not reproachfully, "I think Kara has not yet made the decision of whether she wants to be a heroine or not, or whether her fate lies in another direction. So her initial decision is what life she wants to make for herself. Whether one of heroism or of another variety."

 Carter Hall says, "Sexualization? What did Kara do?"

 Kara Zor-El says, "she kissed 252 men"

 Kara Zor-El says, "also tried to seduce Tre and Arsenal, and kneed Captain Marvel in the groin."

 Starfire says, "Personal best."

Kara Zor-El heads towards the door and then leans against it. "Yeah the House of El. Also Kryptonian for 'Hope.' I don't want to prove him wrong. He's supposed to be my family. I'm not supposed to have to prove I'm worthy to be his FAMILY. So fine, I don't need him as my family. Actually I've been of the House of El longer than he was. I actually lived on Krypton. Not Earth like he did. What-ever." Well she's got the Earth teen lingo down, at least. Or it might just be a universal teen thing. "Look we all know that if he was anyone else, people would call him on his being a hypocrite. He just jumps to conclusions about me and makes me neet to prove my worthiness to live up to HIS legacy." She pauses. "Ass." she says, making an S symbol in the air with her finger.

Starfire settles down over and just floats in midair. For the moment, Kara and Hawkman can -both- see her trying very hard to suppress a smile, "I think you have taken the next step over in being human, Kara. All of the television programs show that this rebellion over against establisehd authority is yet another universal step over in the quest of being a grown up!" She smiles and sparkles. "You are becoming more human with each day. Your parents would be so proud, as I am now in their stead."

Hawkman seriously doubt's Kara's parents would be proud from the rebellion or being more human. They're not. Hawkman looks at Kara, "Stop being an angsty whiny child. You did something wrong, and now your cousin is whinning saying he won't let you play anymore cause you've got cooties now. It's all childish. Pick yourself up and do things for yourself not him or his legacy. Hero and adults realize they make mistakes and their will be consequences but they can keep working to correct them. Children deal in absolutes. Your going to stop being Supergirl cause Kal said you did a bad thing and it can never be fixed? He's not the ruler of the universe."

Kara Zor-El yells at Hawkman, "RED KRYPTONITE. HELLO?! IT WASNT ME!" She frowns. "And yeah, I only became Supergirl -because- of Kal. This is me doing something for myself. I'm not going to be Supergirl. It carries too much baggage. Actually you know what? I don't really remember much when I was affected by the kryptonite but I do remember one thing, most of that time I wasnt feeling stressed out having to live up to his expectations. It was freeing." She looks over at Starfire. "By the way, maybe my dad would but my mom wouldn't. She'd probably blame me also for not having the fortitude to resist the influences. Mother was harsh and didnt believe in making mistakes." She heads out. "What the heck are cooties?" she says to herself.

Starfire just glances at Hawkman, "We all have been at one point or another coerced to do things against our will, or lost control of ourselves. Kara did not enter into this state by any will or purpose of her own, but was caught unawares and specfiically targeted by someone to do it. She deserves our sympathy in any rsepect, as we have all undergone similar things." Turning to Kara as she flies off, "And you are attempting to deny all resonsibility for what you have done, Kara. Unwillingly or not, you have caused many people a great deal of confusion and distress, even if not damage, both hero and civilian. Your cousin is right to a degree that you cannot avoid all responsibility and deny it, and that at some level something must be done. You deserve both our sympathy and our support, but you also must take resopnsibility for things. The decision of whether to remain Supergirl and continue as her and what is your proper legacy is your's and your's alone to make, and we can offer our advice and succor, but the choice to be a hero is one you alone must make, as well as what the status of your familial relations with Kal-El will be and how to address things. But he isy our family here, and I would haet to see you lose that on top of everything else you have lost. Kal-El is a responsible man in all things, perhaps too much so, but he is doing what he believes is right and earnest and what he believes is best, and you cannot fault him for that. He judges himself the same way that he believes you to be, and he strives hard toa chieve and earn things, and he sees his flaws as more magnified than anyone does. So please do not hate him for that."

Hawkman looks at Starfire with hard eyes and his jaw set, Kory finds herself staring down a King and a statesman every bit as Royal and proud as she is, "And coddling her will not take away the actions. She did the things it doesn't matter how she feels or influence. She preformed the actions. She must deal with the consequences of those actions intentional or not. She must deal with the grief and regreat of what she did. I never said her actions were unforgivable but they can not be took back. If she wishes to moop about her guilt and the fact her cousin is acting like a small child that's her problem. I'm tired of bemoaning and whining about the past or get up and do something about it. Fix things. That is her choice. Princess if you have problems with emotions call Martian Manhunter or Dr.Phil and leave me out of it." With that he moves to head for the door.

There is a glance over from Starfire to Hawkman, "There is no right nor wrong answer here. And what would you be saying now if it was your wife then who had had her abilities turend against others then? Would you radvice be the same over to her?" Starfire speaks softly then over, "All the family on this world I have is my brother, and we are barely close. But he is my brother, and I would not abandon him for anything. I do not wish to see Kara give up her association either as Supergirl or as Kal-El's cousin, but she is not of a mind to listen to anyone. They both share the same stubborness and headstrongedness. And the only one who coulddo anything for her would be him. But neither will listen."

Carter Hall looks back to starfire, and choose not to answer her. His wings flap open and he takes flight.

Kara Zor-El is already flying off, though she does hear everything that was said. "Watch me" she says to herself as she heads back. Before stopping first at the grocery to pick up Kitty Kibble for Streaky.